Comments on Raymond H's Why Perfect Blue is Terrifying: An Addendum

It's been one year since Super Eyepatch Wolf released Why Perfect Blue is Terrifying. So what better time for Raymond to start some shit by quibbling with one of his analytical idols?

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Arthur B at 11:16 on 2018-05-14
Interesting article. I would take issue "It is only when the service delves into the realm of sexual desire, as the business of idolatry which Mima is a part of does, that a narrative of horror could truly work" though. It's true that sexual desire is a lightning rod for all sorts of intense feelings, and so frequently celebrity stalker types and similar will cite it as a motivation, but people are complex and there's billions of them out there - including people unwell enough to develop unhealthy fixations on anything.

I would say that the larger any particular person's fanbase grows, the more likely it is that that fanbase will include someone with an excessive obsession - perhaps you hit that point faster in highly sexually-charged fields, perhaps not. I've been listening over the last couple weeks to The Last Podcast On the Left's fascinating exploration of the life of Mark David Chapman, the man who shot John Lennon, and the stuff that motivated him was a) far wilder than the simplistic version of the story that gets propagated and b) not particularly sexual in nature.

As far as the avatar thing goes, you remind me that I really need to get around to posting my Videodrome review.
Raymond H at 13:14 on 2018-05-14
That is...a very good point actually. I suppose what motivated this addendum/quibble was the fact that in his video, Wolf specifically cites sexually-charged stalker incidents (such as Perfect Blue and Ricardo Lopez), before proposing his thesis that that kind of thing could happen to any possible type of mini-celebrity, regardless of whatever type of service their audience derives from them. I hadn't actually considered Chapman, but now that you mention it that does raise a further complexity I overlooked. Egads! We've entered triple quibble territory(try saying that fast three times)!
By the way, would you mind at all if I posted this to Wolf's reddit, to see if it elicits a response from anyone?
And you remind me that I still haven't watched The Brood, despite it being on my play-instant queue for several months.
Arthur B at 15:30 on 2018-05-14
We've never been fussy about where people post links, if only because we've never really believed you can control who links to your stuff anyway. :)

You should watch The Brood.
Raymond H at 23:21 on 2018-05-14
Alright then. Thanks!
I know, I know! I keep meaning to, but I rarely have sit-down time for full-length movies these days.
Ichneumon at 03:35 on 2018-05-18
A good op-ed here, although I would have liked if you'd brought up the folie à deux aspect and how it ties into the way a culture of ownership over women's bodies and identities can create a fractured self-image and persona.
Ichneumon at 03:46 on 2018-05-18
Unrelatedly, I have written some paltry sum of anime criticism myself (mostly babbling about the later instalments of the Monogatari franchise for THEM) and certainly have watched far more analyses of Japanese cartoons than is likely healthy, so seeing someone discussing the subject on Ferretbrain is quite intriguing. Fare thee well, friend. :3
Raymond H at 00:36 on 2018-05-21
Oh, thank you. "blush"
Unfortunately I'm afraid I couldn't have met your request, as I'd never even heard the term folie à deux until I read your comment. You bring up a good point though, which is somewhat addressed in more detail in another Wolf video here (it doesn't quite go into the gendered aspect of things, but it does address shared delusions).
Um...who do you mean by THEM? Like, giant mutant ants? The Illuminati? Your parents? Joking aside though, I think I like my current routine (can I even call it that when I've only posted 3 articles?) of odd-numbered articles being anime-related, and even-numbered articles being something else, since I do like other things besides just anime. So hopefully you will see many more anime things here. Thank you very much for your kind words. :)
Ichneumon at 04:57 on 2018-05-30
THEM Anime Reviews is a very long-standing website which, if I am not mistaken, grew out of the University of Arizona's science fiction club back in the '90s. It's a bit of a pleasant time warp. I wound up on staff due through a vacancy and simply being in that orbit for a very long time, although proceedings are leisurely regardless.
Raymond H at 12:14 on 2018-05-30
Ooooh! THEM! I googled "them anime reviews" and suddenly found a site that I'd visited several times but which I'd never bothered to find the name for. It's like THEY'VE been in the shadows all this time, awaiting THEIR glorious return and ascendancy (so kind of like Blockbuster, I guess). Thanks. :)
Robinson L at 18:06 on 2018-06-28
I would've read the spoilers anyway, but strangely enough (considering my limited repertoire) I actually did watch this movie several years ago. It's been long enough that while I remembered all the main beats, many of the details were pretty fuzzy. I believe I liked it at the time, as I'm a sucker for psychological thrillers and stories which play around with 2what is real and what isn't. However, I'm often frustrated when the ending is either a cop-out ("*all* of it was a dream!"), or so ambiguous as to be totally incoherent. I guess I like mysteries in fiction, but I like them to have a satisfying answer. So I was pleased that the ending of Perfect Blue delivered a satisfying, unexpected but plausible solution - with, of course, a small reality-challenging bit thrown in at the very end because I guess that's obligatory.

However, I've never wanted to revisit the film, and even after seeing Super Eyepatch Wolf's video essay and reading this article, I still don't feel any great desire to check it out again. Maybe someday.

Anyway, I enjoyed both the essay and the article, they raise interesting points, which I guess I don't have anything to add to.
Raymond H at 12:08 on 2018-06-30
Thank you. I never really liked the idea of the two switching places though, as it seemed to defeat the whole purpose of the plot.
Robinson L at 00:00 on 2018-07-11
Huh, I don't remember Mima ever literally switching places with Rumi. When did that happen?
Raymond H at 06:39 on 2018-07-15
I thought that was the final mind-screw thing that people say happened but that I didn't actually notice happening: Mima says "I'm the real thing." in Rumi's voice (apparently, although I didn't notice it) at the end, and you're supposed to wonder if the two switched places or something, which, again, I think defeats the entire narrative arc of the film.
Arthur B at 12:02 on 2018-07-15
As I understand it that's actually a goof in the English dub - it was meant to be Mima saying it but they had Rumi's voice actress saying it instead.
Raymond H at 06:26 on 2018-07-16
Ohhh, okay! I was told the opposite, so when I watched the film in Japanese both times and failed to hear the switched voices I thought something was weird. But it was the English dub, not the Japanese dub. Thanks.
Robinson L at 00:00 on 2018-08-03
As I understand it that's actually a goof in the English dub

That also explains how I missed it. I can't remember why, anymore, because it goes against my general preference and tendencies, but the one time I saw Perfect Blue I watched the original Japanese audio track with subtitles, which evidently didn't have that one.
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