FB » Articles » Ferretbrain Presents: The Complete Works of Shakespeare Episode 0 - Introduction » Comments
Comments on Wardog's Ferretbrain Presents: The Complete Works of Shakespeare Episode 0 - Introduction
I was always told that British people generally knew more about Richard III than Americans!
The nerd in me feels I must point out that Kyra was right, and Henry VII *does* appear in Richard III, though.
It's fascinating to me to see Kyra and Dan's order of relative famous-ness of Shakespeare plays, since I'm so steeped in theater that I no longer have the foggiest clue what other people know about Shakespeare.
Me too, for the exact opposite reason. I only know The Winter's Tale exists because Rowling told me.
If we are like you in the rest, we willresemble you in that. If a Jew wrong a Christian,what is his humility? Revenge. If a Christianwrong a Jew, what should his sufferance be byChristian example? Why, revenge. I think this is genuinely supposed to be further evidence that Shylock is an alien shit who doesn't understand Christianity and, moreover, is too base and venal to ever do so.
"If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that," has always read to me like Shakespeare pointing out Christian hypocrisy, based on observation
But like you, I'm not entirely convinced by that argument. I think you make a good point when you say that our modern sensibilities help to ameliorate a lot of the problems with Merchant, but they don't eliminate them.
Did I miss "The Two Noble Kinsmen"? That is my go-to obscure Shakespeare play, though it's not entirely by him so maybe it doesn't count.
I have to say I'm specially looking forward to what you two do with the latter--I saw it performed, oddly enough, when I was in high school and LOATHED it, although it's grown on me a bit since.
From a 17th century Christian (and even arguably a modern one) perspective, forcing someone to convert is an act of charity, not cruelty, as it saves them from going to hell.
So please my lord the Duke and all the courtTo quit the fine for one half of his goods;I am content, so he will let me haveThe other half in use, to render itUpon his death unto the gentlemanThat lately stole his daughter -Two things provided more: that, for this favour,He presently become a Christian;The other, that he do record a gift,Here in this court, of all he dies possess'dUnto his son Lorenzo and his daughter.
In christ'ning thous shouldst have two god-fathers;Had I been judge, thou shouldst have had ten more,To bring thee to the gallows, not to the font
Even if Machevil is presented as evil, it seems by the play that Marlowe agrees more with Machevil and Barabas than with anyone else in the play. Which is a pretty brave sentiment for his time
And although you can be all "aaaahhhh another time, different values aaaaahhh" about it it's hard to actually get away from the fact sitting through grotesquely racist and sexist texts is, y'know, simply unfun.
The ultimate effect of this was that it made it a play about jealousy rather than about race, and the only people trying to make it about race were racists. It actually worked surprisingly well in many ways. Yo.
I've heard so much about how originally the plays wouldn't have been done the same way every time, they might have used different scripts from one performance to the next, etc.--so isn't stuff like that basically just continuing that tradition? I mean, as opposed to being necessarily an alternative, non-canon, interpretation.
Again, I really do apologise for my use of 'canon' above. I meant it frivolously, I wasn't trying to suggest that readings that deviate from one of those three interpretations were 'non-canon'.
Kyra: we are all necromancers here :)
~9:30 Kyra: [describing the DVD box] … And it smells delicious … you know that lovely BBC smell …?
Arthur: Agree with Hamlet being more famous. Nobody ever made a critically acclaimed play out of Romeo and Juliet fanfic. ;)
Also, while I remember, apparently Two Gentlemen of Verona (up next?) features the only dog in any Shakespeare play.
Back to "Ferretbrain Presents: The Complete Works of Shakespeare Episode 0 - Introduction"
© 2006-2015 FerretBrain.com Legalese -