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Melanie on I Can Assure You That Showering At LARP Events Is Much Less Sexy Than This Is Making It Out To Be
at 05:57 on 04-10-2015 - link
...I was going to raise objections to the premise that they'd break into their school, of all places, for this, but I guess it makes a kind of sense. It's a place they can all get to and are familiar with, that should be deserted at night (as opposed to, I don't know, a mall or something, that might have security guards), that has some large open indoor spaces (gym and cafeteria) as well as rooms (though probably mostly locked?) and hallways, and that has bathrooms. And--bonus--they can store things in their lockers. Plus of course their options would be a little limited.
That's the case here, and when you consider that this film runs for 78 minutes and the amount of slow motion used in it
Well, now I'm going to think of that every time I see something that uses slow motion. "Filming budget... saved!" Like noticeably repetitive/mostly motionless animation.
- Craverguy on Beasts in Crinoline at 21:45 on 03-10-2015 - link And send it over here. I love that stuff.
Arthur B on Beasts in Crinoline
at 21:42 on 03-10-2015 - link
The thing it most resembled to me was The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, another mash-up of pop Victorian plots and characters. I preferred Anno Dracula, just because the story seemed to have something actually at stake while Loeg seemed by comparison like a fairly tiresome exercise in Victorian trainspotting.
To be honest that's probably why I'm sniffy about it - that, and the whole Wold Newton universe thing (don't google it, it's a black hole) and similar affairs all strike me as being just as boringly stultifying as the whole DC Universe/Marvel universe sort of thing. Crossovers by and large suck with a very few exceptions; characters developed for particular stories don't do well when transplanted out of those stories, and are even more annoying when transplanted to entirely different genres.
I realise that I'm being a full-on and relentless curmudgeon on this subject but I don't care. Crossover mashup fiction is lazy and awful, and gets even more lazy and awful the more references you crowbar into it. Take it away from me.
Craverguy on Beasts in Crinoline
at 21:35 on 03-10-2015 - link
Eastern European vampires have traditionally been portrayed as horrible monsters. The original folkloric vampires are actually closer to zombies than what we recognize as modern vampires. The concept of the vampire as pretty, or even not ugly, dates back no further than Polidori and Ruthven, who is relentlessly Western, being a Scottish peer based on Byron and all.
Moreover, the vampires who are portrayed as monsters are all members of Dracula's inner circle of cronies from the old days, so not only are they from a region that traditionally produces legends about monstrous vampires but it's implied that they are all closely related to him as well. Meaning that their deformity has less to do with their ethnicity than with their close association with Dracula, who is essentially portrayed as this bottomless well of corruption that infects everything in his orbit. The farther you get from Dracula, the less prevalent the monstrousness becomes (the only two vampires in the novel outside of Dracula's clique who demonstrate it are a little girl who overreaches with her shiny new shapeshifting ability and a prostitute who deliberately invokes it to cater to clients with fetishes).
Which I guess is all a long way of saying no, in the context of the story, I don't think it's a problem.
- https://me.yahoo.com/a/pwQl65QjyO_qKzMVXCk4NkWmA93bTB40uqFXg0tjtoso59j2K3E-#74262 on Beasts in Crinoline at 21:30 on 03-10-2015 - link I read Anno Dracula several years ago and enjoyed it (although I didn't even remember that Genevieve was in the book). The thing it most resembled to me was The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, another mash-up of pop Victorian plots and characters. I preferred Anno Dracula, just because the story seemed to have something actually at stake while Loeg seemed by comparison like a fairly tiresome exercise in Victorian trainspotting.
- Arthur B on Beasts in Crinoline at 20:48 on 03-10-2015 - link We're all agreed that regardless of how well-established the whole bloodline thing is in Newman's worldbuilding, the fact that it boils down to "Western European vampires are pretty, Eastern Europeans are all either uggos or Dracula" is a huge motherfucking problem, yes?
Craverguy on Beasts in Crinoline
at 20:05 on 03-10-2015 - link
It's been a while since I read the book, but as I recall, Dracula's bloodline has shapeshifting powers which cause the degeneration in anyone who isn't Dracula (because it turns out that reshaping your body is a stupid idea if you're not able to put yourself back together the right way and few people are), whereas Genevieve has psychic powers of some variety.
There's also Lord Ruthven and his minion Holmwood, who don't seem to have any particular powers or special weaknesses, and are just generic vampires.
And then there's the Chinese vampire assassin that Newman took from the Mr. Vampire franchise, who, being based on a totally different strain of folklore, is just plain weird.
Shim on Beasts in Crinoline
at 19:51 on 03-10-2015 - link
I think there's a lot of previous experience stuff going on here, by the sound of it. I'd read some of the Genevieve books, one of them vaguely similar in premise and very similar in tone, so that coloured my perception of the book. Also, given how much Warhams I have read overall, that particular tone just screams "Warhams" to me.
Bloodlines are maybe a similar thing. I had nothing to do with White Wolf until oh, last year sometime, by which point my ideas about vampires were well established. I mean, I knew about the concept a while before that, I just didn't care. It doesn't feel like a vampire thing so much as a White Wolf vampire thing.
But there's also the fact that as far as I can remember, Newman does nothing significant with this plot point. White Wolf's setting has an underlying assumption that bloodline differences will be constantly relevant and a storyline featuring only one bloodline would be rare. In contrast, Newman has hundreds of vampires of one bloodline, which means when the bloodlines idea is introduced to explain why Genevieve isn't non-hot, it feels to me like handwaving without any substance behind it. Or lampshading, if you like.
Out of interest, can anyone tell me what the special powers of the two bloodlines actually are?