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at 11:43 on 22-03-2012, Ibmiller
Funnily enough for my cultural context, I did see the film opening weekend, and thought it was dreadfully dull. I did like the exploding people, though.
at 09:12 on 22-03-2012, Wardog
It was bad. But on the other hand: Oxford and bears!
at 06:53 on 22-03-2012, Axiomatic
I went and saw the movie, and ye gods, it was bad.

It was like the director was waging a bitter crusade against the concept of pacing.
at 03:52 on 22-03-2012, Michal
Oh, don't get me wrong, I love blimps and battle-bears, though I prefer if the latter have names like Ivan and call each other "comrade." But I have absolutely no connection to Oxford, so one piece of the puzzle may be missing. I just found the writing in The Golden Compass supremely unengaging. I never finished it...I don't like Christian Narnia all that much and atheist Narnia just wasn't any better, y'know?

Still find it funny how New Atheists all too often lift directly from 19th-century Protestant anti-Catholic rhetoric. I keep on expecting Pullman and his ilk to start referring to Catholics as "damn Papists!"
at 00:56 on 22-03-2012, Andy G
I have such weird cognitive dissonance about that trilogy - on the one hand, I have very fond memories of them being brilliant, on the other, I suspect if I read them (well, the latter two at least) I'd spend the whole time cringeing at all the New Atheism.

Did anyone see the film? God it was awful awful awful.
at 22:21 on 21-03-2012, Arthur B
I thought Northern Lights was great, but The Subtle Knife felt very mediocre; it essentially introduced a whole heap of stuff which hadn't really been hinted at in the first book, and I missed the wonderful alternate world he'd created. It doesn't help that he suffered from Moorcock's disease (Moorcock's Multiversal Malaise?) where once a story begins to become focused on hopping between parallel universes each one feels less real than the one before - the world of the first book felt really well developed because we spent a whole other novel there, but aside from our Oxford none of the other dimensions really measured up to it.

And The Amber Spyglass is just an organisational disaster, not least because of the long interludes with the scientist we don't care about studying the wheelie creatures we don't care about and the tedious rants. Plus he straight-up chickened out of providing any sort of explanation of what the dust was.
at 22:13 on 21-03-2012, Ibmiller
I love the ideas in the Dark Materials, but the execution is incredibly dull, and Pullman's rants annoy me with their hypocrisy.

So glad he's not attached to the Paradise Lost project anymore. Now that would be dark, man, dark for the Milton fans (of whom I am unfortunately not one).
at 15:30 on 21-03-2012, Wardog
I quite enjoyed Northern Lights because it seemed like fairly straight forward children's fantasy with airships and bears and Oxford (three of my favourite things) but The Amber Spyglass turned out to be as big as a walrus and basically about Pullman dissing the Catholic Church ... so I lost interest massively.
at 15:24 on 21-03-2012, Michal

I think Pullman
is re-telling fairytales
as well.

Ah yes, this bit of news. Another book for the "will probably never bother reading" shelf.

No, I didn't enjoy The Golden Compass, why do you ask?

Oh and there's ... err ... Mirror Mirror with Julia Roberts which isn't remotely dark but how many fairytale retellings can the human race endure?!

Gregory Maguire seems to think we don't have nearly enough. Out of curiousity, has he written anything that wasn't a pastiche of something else? (It's related because he wrote Mirror, Mirror and all)
at 14:54 on 21-03-2012, Wardog
I am basically up for Bella and Thor because of Charlize Theron... she's being so very fabulous in the trailer that I am ... yes ...

I think Pullman is re-telling fairytales as well.

Oh and there's ... err ... Mirror Mirror with Julia Roberts which isn't remotely dark but how many fairytale retellings can the human race endure?!
at 14:22 on 21-03-2012, Ibmiller
Just out of curiosity - what other "dark, man, dark" fairytales are we getting this summer? I think Bella Swan and Thor (er...Snow White and the Huntress) looks halfway interesting (certainly moreso than Mirror Mirror, which looks pained and forcedly cheerful), but don't remember any others.
at 10:17 on 21-03-2012, Arthur B
Re: Prometheus trailer: Is the implication we're meant to get that the Space Jockey was flying to Earth to bombard it with facehugger eggs? Because on one hand, that's a fair enough premise for Prometheus, but on the other hand it ties in with one of my frustrations with the series: the way the movies constantly flirt with the audience by alluding to awful consequences if the xenomorphs ever make it to a well-populated place on Earth whilst at the same time never, ever having the balls to show that happening. (No, the second Alien vs. Predator film doesn't count because the lighting was so bad in that you couldn't see anything happening.)
at 09:31 on 21-03-2012, Wardog
Hmm, my reaction was DO NOT WANNNNNNNT

I occasionally want things I shouldn't - it's a vicious cycle of self-abuse.
at 03:48 on 21-03-2012, Michal
I'm a bit concerned by the von Daniken connection to Prometheus, but otherwise, it looks rather nice (I read The Chariots of the Gods in Elementary School and even back then I thought it was flipping ridiculous). A Alien prequel that invalidates everything after Aliens by its sheer existence can only be a good thing. Also, Space Jockies.

I was secretly quite intrigued by the Snow White and the Huntsman trailer, though I should know better!

Hmm, my reaction was DO NOT WANNNNNNNT.
at 01:07 on 21-03-2012, Alasdair Czyrnyj

Well, I think I've found the one big movie I'm going to see this year.
at 22:00 on 20-03-2012, Wardog
I think it's going to be the summer of the Brothers Grimdark - there seems to be dark man dark retellings of fairy-stories coming out of the walls. I was secretly quite intrigued by the Snow White and the Huntsman trailer, though I should know better!
at 21:00 on 20-03-2012, Robinson L
Ibmiller: David Farland = Dave Wolverton?

Yes, that's him. Juneau uses both names to refer to him in the update to that execrable post explaining his "philosophy" of writing female characters.

Courtship is so bad it took Aaron Allston three books to make it even semi-interesting (and as someone who read it after Allston's prequels, it was an extreme letdown).

Well, it's been quite a while since I read either. I suppose I should remedy that fairly soon. I really enjoyed Han's showdown with Zsinj at the end, and Luke single-handedly piloting, copiloting, and operating the quad-guns for the Falcon a little earlier. The rest I could probably go either way on.
at 15:45 on 20-03-2012, Guy
@Alasdair, I think we have very different ideas about what "very diplomatic" means! Still, very astute comments by Moore, especially about the problems with Voyager. Fairly prescient about the problems with Enterprise, too, despite it not even existing at that point.

However, while reading it I kept thinking, boy this is a smart guy, he understands about the importance of not breaking an audience's trust, not fobbing them off with stuff that doesn't make sense, that isn't true to your premise; they could have used some of his advice over at Battlestar Galactica during its precipitous plunge in quality somewhere in the middle of season 2... oh, right. This is the man responsible for the "story doesn't matter, only character matters" philosophy that turned that series into a soup of contextless melodrama. Pity.
at 05:27 on 20-03-2012, Ibmiller
RobinsonL: David Farland = Dave Wolverton? Oh, dear. I think he certainly does fit Axiomatic's description of someone so bad they fail just by sucking. Courtship is so bad it took Aaron Allston three books to make it even semi-interesting (and as someone who read it after Allston's prequels, it was an extreme letdown).

Plus, in his "regular" fantasy short stories I've read, he continues on with his rather vanilla gender/society obsessions. Like, exactly the same without the lightsabers.
at 00:27 on 20-03-2012, Arthur B
That stuff he says about Voyager not remotely following through on its own premise is fantastic, I've been saying more or less the same thing for years.
at 21:15 on 19-03-2012, Alasdair Czyrnyj
Stumbled onto this the other day: an o-o-o-o-ld interview done with Ron Moore around the year 2000 about his brief experience working on Star Trek: Voyager. He's very diplomatic about everything, but he manages to confirm a whole lot of what everyone suspected. He also manages to predict why Enterprise would suck too.

Man, the more I hear about the behind-the-scenes stuff, the more it seems like Voyager was just a death ship. It certainly explains why the episode compendium had almost no commentary on the process behind the making of the show in it.
at 06:13 on 17-03-2012, Axiomatic
Yeah, when I saw that, my first thought was, Someone's made a terrible imitation of a Tim Burton movie, and it's TIM BURTON!

Also, re: Juneau

"But through this, I figured out why there's so much argument. Too much emotions. Just like with racism."

at 02:33 on 17-03-2012, Arthur B
Someone made a hilarious parody trailer for Tim Burton's remake of Dark Shadows and they've really nailed Burton's tired-out aesthetic, worn-out ideas, and general lurch into being a total parody of himse- oh wait, that's the real trailer.
at 01:57 on 17-03-2012, Alasdair Czyrnyj
Oh, hey, and some people with too much time on their hands made a map of Panem from The Hunger Games!

Now, I never read the books, so forgive my ignorance, but was it mentioned at any point that Panem was founded by Vladimir Tatlin? Because, in all honesty, that map implies to me that the books are set in a world where the United States was conquered, destroyed, and rebuilt by a cabal of immortal Russian Constructivists (which, come to think of it, would be a pretty awesome premise for a novel).