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Welcome to the Playpen, our space for ferrety banter and whimsical snippets of things that aren't quite long enough for articles (although they might be) but that caught your eye anyway.

at 14:38 on 25-05-2012, Adrienne
Shimmin & Jill -- having known native speakers of all three, and being able to speak good French and a VERY LITTLE BIT of both Russian and Hebrew, i can say that the latter two do have fairly close phonemic inventories. Phonological rules for them aren't that similar, but closer than Russian and French by a long shot.
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at 14:13 on 25-05-2012, Fin
23 job applications in this economy and still unemployed? gosh.

though he's got a point. the crisis facing men is almost as bad as the crisis facing music.
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at 10:26 on 25-05-2012, Arthur B
Angry letters people send to feminist bloggers are usually too depressing and sordid to read. Not this guy.

Spoiler:
his plan to overthrow the feminist establishment is to start a hard rock band which will rock so hard it'll shake society to its foundations.
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at 09:24 on 25-05-2012, Shim
@Jill: Pure speculation, but I suspect it has something to do with how much overlap there is in phoneme inventories and phonological rules for both parties. Languages with more similar sets of sounds and rules for using them ought to come out more clearly for L2 speakers, and you'll be better able to identify the sounds if there's a good match between the L2 and your L1. I don't know enough about either Russian or Hebrew to say though.
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at 08:14 on 25-05-2012, Arthur B
I honestly think so, at least in the absence of any other animosity towards the speakers in question.
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at 04:13 on 25-05-2012, Ibmiller
Arthur - so basically, prolonged positive exposure leads to happy associations with different accents?
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at 01:42 on 25-05-2012, Alasdair Czyrnyj
The entirety of Radiohead's OK Computer and Kid A rendered as 8-bit chiptunes, because why not?
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at 20:50 on 24-05-2012, Sunnyskywalker
Jumping back a ways... Jamie Bamber did a pretty good job faking American in BSG, but especially in the pilot you can tell when he slips up a tiny bit every so often. This had the dubious benefit of suggesting an elaborate fanwank to answer the question, why does everyone believe Baltar is native Caprican when he seems to be the only one on the planet with that accent? Maybe it's an old, traditional Caprican accent, mostly fallen out of use decades ago due to accent leveling between the colonies, and Baltar (poser that he is) is overcompensating by adopting that one. (See, I'm more Caprican than you, so there!) And Lee picked a bit of it up hanging out with some friends from old families at school, or something.

I didn't say it was a very good fanwank, mind. But it doesn't have any more holes than your average BSG plot.
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at 14:40 on 24-05-2012, Jill Heather
What I find interesting is trying to understand second language speakers in your second language(s). I always found Russian speakers nearly unintelligible in French, but clear in Hebrew. And people who have an unusual combination of accents in English -- someone with some British accent combined with a heavy joual (Quebecois French) one is really, really hard to understand in English because of the cognitive dissonance.
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at 13:26 on 24-05-2012, Janne Kirjasniemi
Before I lived in London I always had a vague idea that there actually was a real accent to england and though I had been in the UK before, I still kinda thought that in the UK people will be talking proper english, like in the school audia lessons. Instead it seems everybody sounds different and the only one I couldn't understand was some guy from Newcastle, which I resolved bye just nodding to everything.

Weird, you could always guess what the randome French or Italian person is saying, since they will just gesticulate wildly and keep talking until understanding somehow happens.
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at 12:28 on 24-05-2012, Adrienne
Arthur -- That's definitely true, and insightful. :)
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at 12:03 on 24-05-2012, Arthur B
I think familiarity, comprehensibility and pleasantness are all kind of intertwined; the more you train your ear to process a particular accent the more you'll understand it, and the more you understand it the less frustrated you'll be by the process of trying to listen to it (because even if you're self-aware enough to realise you're irritated with your own failure to understand rather than the other person's failure to talk proper, it's still annoying to not be able to follow what someone is saying), and the less frustration you associate with listening to people talking in that accent the more pleasant it'll seem.
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at 03:52 on 24-05-2012, Adrienne
(Also, valse de la lune -- doesn't surprise me, about the accents thing. What's comfortable and pleasant has a lot to do with what's familiar. And a lot of American accents ARE incomprehensible, even in English, frankly.)
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at 03:50 on 24-05-2012, Adrienne
On a completely different note, i was badly triggered by a Charles Stross short story the other day and i don't even have any triggers. And i really, really want to bitch about it, but i'm still sort of traumatized into incoherence.

Story can be found here, but SERIOUSLY be warned that the story starts out sort of lighthearted and aimlessly cyberpunk, and then degenerates into RAPETASTIC NIGHTMARE.
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at 22:20 on 23-05-2012, Fin
i've always been fond of this warham
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at 17:58 on 23-05-2012, James D
for some reason i have this sudden urge to purchase frozen hams with which to lay siege to my enemies

Oh man, this has reminded me of the ridiculous Barnyard Commandos toy/TV series.
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at 17:47 on 23-05-2012, Janne Kirjasniemi
I havta get me one of them hams.
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at 17:38 on 23-05-2012, valse de la lune
I hate ham.
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at 15:27 on 23-05-2012, Fin
for some reason i have this sudden urge to purchase frozen hams with which to lay siege to my enemies
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at 14:12 on 23-05-2012, Arthur B
I don't know what you mean.
buywarhams
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at 14:11 on 23-05-2012, Andy G
@Arthur: That's just what someone who was secretly putting subliminal messages into everything would say!
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at 14:10 on 23-05-2012, James D
Do you agree?

agree...agree...agree...

Just kidding. But I'll take your word for it.
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