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Welcome to the Playpen, our space for ferrety banter and whimsical snippets of things that aren't quite long enough for articles (although they might be) but that caught your eye anyway.

at 12:16 on 20-09-2011, Dan H
Am I missing something, because that looks AWESOME from where I'm standing...
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at 11:56 on 20-09-2011, Shim
Speaking of Warhams, what are you DOING, Games Workshop, you clueless rodents?
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at 10:47 on 20-09-2011, Wardog
It looks like SUCH FUN. I might wait for it to come down in price though.
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at 10:29 on 20-09-2011, Arthur B
SPESS MARIEN doesn't rely on knowing that much about Warhams; they've done quite well at making sure it isn't unapproachably lore-heavy whilst at the same time tossing in plenty of details which will make lore geeks' ears prick up. Multiplayer seems wonky but the single-player game is awesome if you are down with fairly linear action-fighty games.

Put it this way: you get healz by stunning opponents and then performing awesome finishing moves on them. So if you're in a tight spot and find you're in danger the solution is to plunge deeper into the fight.
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at 09:43 on 20-09-2011, Wardog
Btw, given I know fuck all about Warhams and have been consciously trying to avoid knowing fuck all about Warhams ... should I be playing Space Marine? It just looks AWESOME.
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at 09:41 on 20-09-2011, Wardog
@Valse

Damn you, I got really excited there ... and then came down hard.
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at 09:09 on 20-09-2011, Janne Kirjasniemi
Snowy(or Milou, as I know him) is cute though. Kinda like those toy dogs that would move about and you'd always hope that they would actually be like a real dog, and not a toy or a very limited robot.
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at 08:44 on 20-09-2011, Arthur B
@Gamer: That trailer looks really disturbing. I think once your uncanny valley CGI characters start looking like actual flesh and blood people with weird prosthetic noses you might as well save money on the CGI and just film a bunch of people with weird prosthetic noses.
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at 00:30 on 20-09-2011, Robinson L
I think it was Episode 9 of the first TeXt Factor. It was the point where you were discussing the part in The Woman in White where
Count Fosco hijacks Marian Halcolmb's journal
. Apparently it was the most appropriate epithet you guys could come up with for that development.
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at 23:00 on 19-09-2011, Shim
A bit of an odd request, but does anyone remember any particular point in the podcasts where the word "ZOMG" crops up? I'm having a phonetics discussion and it will take a good while to plough through them all again!
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at 22:36 on 19-09-2011, Gamer_2k4
Or here, the trailer if you prefer.
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at 15:41 on 19-09-2011, Gamer_2k4
Man... You lucky Brits get to see this next month. I'm kind of jealous.
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at 15:11 on 19-09-2011, valse de la lune
I discovered this. Holy fucking shit. It looks like typical urban fantasy ho-hum except lesbians. Lesbian main character! In urban fantasy! I bounce with giddy excitement!

...and then I discover the author is a dude. Fuck this earth. Fuck it forever.
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at 00:53 on 19-09-2011, Melissa G.
They had a Batgirl before the relaunch, Stephanie Brown


Don't even get me started on how poor Steph was handled. I don't know why Dan Didio seems to hate her so much....
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at 00:39 on 19-09-2011, Arthur B
On those grounds I think the worst possible thing the reboot people could have done was re-open the wound because there's literally nothing that can be done about it which doesn't either destroy what makes Origin so great or replay the fridging to no real benefit.

So obviously they did the worst possible thing.
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at 00:36 on 19-09-2011, Sister Magpie
But DC doesn't want generic Batgirl. Generic Batgirl doesn't sell as well. They had a Batgirl before the relaunch, Stephanie Brown. Before that they had Cass Cain.

If you make Barbara Batgirl in the relaunch who has never been Oracle, in the eyes of her fans you're diminishing her and taking away the growth she had as Oracle. Then you have a generic Oracle who can't really have Babs' origin beyond being shot by the Joker. She could still work as a character, but she's a new character starting off with a big handicap because not only is she a stranger, she's lacks Babs' history and ties to other characters. Worse yet, she'd be seen by Babs' fans as having taken her accomplishments.

Oracle is tricky because while everyone agrees that her origin was a fridging ("Cripple the bitch!") everyone also agrees that later writers took that bad thing and defiantly made a stronger character out of it.
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at 00:08 on 19-09-2011, Arthur B
Nah, you could keep Oracle's origin and pick one or the other of them to be Barbara Gordon. Oracle could still have much the same origin story, but because it wasn't actually played out in the new continuity then it wouldn't so much be of a fridging moment because it would be "this is this character's premise from day 1 of this new continuity", as opposed to "hey, let's fuck over this female character".

And Batgirl, being vastly more generic, can just have the origin from the Batman and Robin movie or something.

Either way, sounds like the new timeline dispenses of Oracle pretty cheaply.
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at 23:58 on 18-09-2011, Sister Magpie
There'd be no reason why the new timeline couldn't have a Batgirl and an Oracle who were two different individuals, thus removing the fridging whilst keeping the disabled representation and giving them a Batgirl of some form to play with if they really insisted on having one.


But there is a reason they can't do that: they're both Barbara Gordon. Barbara's the character people love, not Batgirl (a title that can refer to more than one person) or the person that functions as Oracle. Of course in some ways Babs=both those people, but Oracle wasn't just a computer person (frankly, she was often written as not even very computer savvy imo and I know very little about computers!), she was also Batgirl who was shot by the Joker and reinvented herself into someone even more powerful. So by splitting them you either rob Babs of her future or rob Oracle of her origin. If you just make her a different woman who uses a wheelchair you get into the cliche people saw with Wendy in the Steph!Batgirl comics, the computer jock/wheelchair stereotype.
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at 23:58 on 18-09-2011, Melissa G.
it's a fridging moment that becomes this sort of ongoing fridging situation


See, for me, I felt that Barbara as Oracle was more of a "Fridge me, will you, writers? Well, I'm going to become ten times more badass in my wheelchair than I ever was as Batgirl!" I found it really empowering.

There'd be no reason why the new timeline couldn't have a Batgirl and an Oracle who were two different individuals, thus removing the fridging whilst keeping the disabled representation and giving them a Batgirl of some form to play with if they really insisted on having one.


In the case of Batgirl, she still was shot by the Joker and was in a wheelchair for three years, but now she's gotten back the use of her legs. So the fridging still happened just like it did before, but this time physical therapy saved the day three years later or something.

One of the major issues with the reboot is that not everyone is on the same page about how much "starting over" was actually going to happen. Continuity is even more screwy than it was before, believe it or not.
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at 23:32 on 18-09-2011, Arthur B
Well, they'd set themselves up in an impossible bind. If they keep her paralysed, then not only is it a fridging moment, it's a fridging moment that becomes this sort of ongoing fridging situation as other heroes get their backs wrecked, die, or are cosmically written out of existence and then get to come back fresh as a daisy, whilst Barbara never gets to be cured in the same way Bruce Wayne was because handwave handwave bullshit handwave. But at the same time, if they cure her, they wreck a perfectly good character and stick a middle finger up at everyone who liked seeing a disabled superhero make a success of it.

I thought the point of a reboot was to allow them to untie Gordion Knots like that one? There'd be no reason why the new timeline couldn't have a Batgirl and an Oracle who were two different individuals, thus removing the fridging whilst keeping the disabled representation and giving them a Batgirl of some form to play with if they really insisted on having one.

Unless of course they're just setting her up to meet the Joker and a crowbar yet again at the end of the current story arc. In which case it's just fridge take two.
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at 22:50 on 18-09-2011, Melissa G.
I'm not denying that her original paralysis was a fridging moment. It was. No question. But then they built her up as Oracle, who was amazing and awesome and kick-ass, and her paralysis did nothing to hinder that. But now they're giving her the ability to walk again because apparently Oracle isn't good enough and isn't nearly as cool as Batgirl?
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at 22:45 on 18-09-2011, Arthur B
I think the character history point is where it gets stick. I mean, if she'd been introduced as Oracle, and had been Oracle all along, then yay, disabled superhero. But because she'd had a history as Batgirl, and had appearances in the comics as Batgirl, meant that what happened to her was kind of a fridge moment.
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at 22:36 on 18-09-2011, Melissa G.
That's true too. Women in refrigerators and all. I just thought it was sort of insulting to imply that she needed to be able to walk to be a superhero. Especially because as Oracle, she was completely badass while Batgirl is kind of a C-list superhero.
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at 20:30 on 18-09-2011, Janne Kirjasniemi
On the other hand, and it has been pointed out dozens of times, it was always curious, that Batman could grow a new spine and others escape death, but poor Barbara was tied to the chair because the Universe thought she was more interesting that way.
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