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at 00:08 on 19-09-2011, Arthur B
Nah, you could keep Oracle's origin and pick one or the other of them to be Barbara Gordon. Oracle could still have much the same origin story, but because it wasn't actually played out in the new continuity then it wouldn't so much be of a fridging moment because it would be "this is this character's premise from day 1 of this new continuity", as opposed to "hey, let's fuck over this female character".

And Batgirl, being vastly more generic, can just have the origin from the Batman and Robin movie or something.

Either way, sounds like the new timeline dispenses of Oracle pretty cheaply.
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at 23:58 on 18-09-2011, Sister Magpie
There'd be no reason why the new timeline couldn't have a Batgirl and an Oracle who were two different individuals, thus removing the fridging whilst keeping the disabled representation and giving them a Batgirl of some form to play with if they really insisted on having one.


But there is a reason they can't do that: they're both Barbara Gordon. Barbara's the character people love, not Batgirl (a title that can refer to more than one person) or the person that functions as Oracle. Of course in some ways Babs=both those people, but Oracle wasn't just a computer person (frankly, she was often written as not even very computer savvy imo and I know very little about computers!), she was also Batgirl who was shot by the Joker and reinvented herself into someone even more powerful. So by splitting them you either rob Babs of her future or rob Oracle of her origin. If you just make her a different woman who uses a wheelchair you get into the cliche people saw with Wendy in the Steph!Batgirl comics, the computer jock/wheelchair stereotype.
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at 23:58 on 18-09-2011, Melissa G.
it's a fridging moment that becomes this sort of ongoing fridging situation


See, for me, I felt that Barbara as Oracle was more of a "Fridge me, will you, writers? Well, I'm going to become ten times more badass in my wheelchair than I ever was as Batgirl!" I found it really empowering.

There'd be no reason why the new timeline couldn't have a Batgirl and an Oracle who were two different individuals, thus removing the fridging whilst keeping the disabled representation and giving them a Batgirl of some form to play with if they really insisted on having one.


In the case of Batgirl, she still was shot by the Joker and was in a wheelchair for three years, but now she's gotten back the use of her legs. So the fridging still happened just like it did before, but this time physical therapy saved the day three years later or something.

One of the major issues with the reboot is that not everyone is on the same page about how much "starting over" was actually going to happen. Continuity is even more screwy than it was before, believe it or not.
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at 23:32 on 18-09-2011, Arthur B
Well, they'd set themselves up in an impossible bind. If they keep her paralysed, then not only is it a fridging moment, it's a fridging moment that becomes this sort of ongoing fridging situation as other heroes get their backs wrecked, die, or are cosmically written out of existence and then get to come back fresh as a daisy, whilst Barbara never gets to be cured in the same way Bruce Wayne was because handwave handwave bullshit handwave. But at the same time, if they cure her, they wreck a perfectly good character and stick a middle finger up at everyone who liked seeing a disabled superhero make a success of it.

I thought the point of a reboot was to allow them to untie Gordion Knots like that one? There'd be no reason why the new timeline couldn't have a Batgirl and an Oracle who were two different individuals, thus removing the fridging whilst keeping the disabled representation and giving them a Batgirl of some form to play with if they really insisted on having one.

Unless of course they're just setting her up to meet the Joker and a crowbar yet again at the end of the current story arc. In which case it's just fridge take two.
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at 22:50 on 18-09-2011, Melissa G.
I'm not denying that her original paralysis was a fridging moment. It was. No question. But then they built her up as Oracle, who was amazing and awesome and kick-ass, and her paralysis did nothing to hinder that. But now they're giving her the ability to walk again because apparently Oracle isn't good enough and isn't nearly as cool as Batgirl?
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at 22:45 on 18-09-2011, Arthur B
I think the character history point is where it gets stick. I mean, if she'd been introduced as Oracle, and had been Oracle all along, then yay, disabled superhero. But because she'd had a history as Batgirl, and had appearances in the comics as Batgirl, meant that what happened to her was kind of a fridge moment.
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at 22:36 on 18-09-2011, Melissa G.
That's true too. Women in refrigerators and all. I just thought it was sort of insulting to imply that she needed to be able to walk to be a superhero. Especially because as Oracle, she was completely badass while Batgirl is kind of a C-list superhero.
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at 20:30 on 18-09-2011, Janne Kirjasniemi
On the other hand, and it has been pointed out dozens of times, it was always curious, that Batman could grow a new spine and others escape death, but poor Barbara was tied to the chair because the Universe thought she was more interesting that way.
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at 18:50 on 18-09-2011, Melissa G.
Batgirl was probably the best written one I've read so far. And then I looked down and remembered Gail Simone was the author and went, "oh, yeah, that makes sense." I'm still not pleased that Babs is walking though....
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at 12:49 on 18-09-2011, Janne Kirjasniemi
Sounds nice. I've dreaded finding out how it is. If they'd just let Gail Simone decide everything, but I guess that was a bit too much to hope for.
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at 20:52 on 17-09-2011, Melissa G.
Attention Ferretbrain! My roommate and I are in the process of reading the DC reboot, and you can all expect a long, overly wordy review from the both of us on our various and angry problems with it once the month is over. That is all.
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at 16:18 on 16-09-2011, Shim
This gives me joy (explanation here).
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at 12:17 on 16-09-2011, Arthur B
Good job, Steve. Now go talk to your buddy George, he needs an intervention and he'll listen to you.
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at 01:44 on 16-09-2011, Michal
Omg, Kate Beckinsale's arse is returning to our screens in 2012! This looks awful. I can't wait.

Hey, I think I already drew a poster for that last year.
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at 01:27 on 16-09-2011, Kellicat
Oh my bad! It's still somewhat similar and amusing though. In a way, it's too bad they're not named Death Eaters. The comedic potential would have been glorious.
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at 22:13 on 15-09-2011, Arthur B
Death Eaters? I cannot stop laughing at this. Is this something that always been around in Underworld or is it something new that they've pulled out of their arse?

Actually, if you listen closely it's actually "Death Dealers" and they've been part of the franchise since the first movie and oh god I know too much about this shit don't I?
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at 20:07 on 15-09-2011, Kellicat
Omg, Kate Beckinsale's arse is returning to our screens in 2012! This looks awful. I can't wait.


Death Eaters? I cannot stop laughing at this. Is this something that always been around in Underworld or is it something new that they've pulled out of their arse? If it's the latter, lol forever. Are they hoping to draw in Harry Potter fans by having their villains named Death Eaters?
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at 14:41 on 15-09-2011, Arthur B
I can't wait for them to get around to tackling Changeling as they work their way through the White Wolf canon. Kate Beckinsale taking out a forest full of pixies with a flamethrower = money well spent.
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at 14:34 on 15-09-2011, Wardog
Omg, Kate Beckinsale's arse is returning to our screens in 2012! This looks awful. I can't wait.
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at 05:17 on 15-09-2011, Michal
Oh yes, I was rather happy when Mieville disintegrated Zizek. I don't know how many times I wished that would happen when I was an undergraduate. (Reading Zizek led to lots of incoherent rants on my part.)
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at 05:05 on 15-09-2011, Robinson L
Michal: Anyhow, has anyone ever wondered, if China Mieville could beat up Cthulhu?

What I particularly love about that story is that you've got “dragons, ogres, demons, zombies, indescribably deformed horrors; even Gordon Ramsey” spewing from this interdimensional portal in Central London—and until Cthulhu shows up, the London Police are all like “don't worry guys, we've totally got this,” and “quickly eliminat[e] the menace before any significant damage occurs.”

I think this constitutes grounds for inducting the whole London Metropolitan police force into the 501st Legion.

The other highlight from that site (for me) would be China Mieville vs. Slavoj Zizek: Žižek: “There’s only room in this world for one poster-boy of pop-culture Marxism with a phonically difficult surname.”

Oh, and does anyone else find China Mieville vs. Fox News eerily reminiscent of the Shinra Tower mission from Final Fantasy VII?
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at 19:04 on 14-09-2011, Arthur B
I wonder if it was a conscious decision on Relic's part to promote a decent female character or if it's an incidental token thing, but either way the end results so far have been good enough--I liked Adrastia--and they all dress fantastically sensibly, though of course that's par for the course for WH40K anyway.

I suppose it's an example that in a fictional context, unlike in real life, prominence matters more than ratios. 99% of the Imperial Guard characters you see in the game are dudes, but the only one you actually remember is Mira so for all intents and purposes she is the face of the IG for the game.

I can heartily recommend Space Marine and was particularly pleased that the orks are suitably orky. They're invading this world so that they can loot some Titans. Looted Titans! Joy.

Me with every other fantastic female character--and it never happens.

I suppose it's particularly hard in this case because the game's been built from the ground up to support Space Marine style mixed ranged and melee combat, whereas a game about the Guard would be way heavier on the shooting and getting into melee combat would be suicidal.

So what I'm basically saying is give Mira her own FPS and send her up against the Tau. Then I might be able to forget about Fire Warrior, and the grotesque war crimes the Imperium will order you to do will feel good and justified because seriously, fuck the Tau.
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at 18:55 on 14-09-2011, valse de la lune
(Me with every other fantastic female character--and it never happens. I'd slaughter kittens to see a spin-off featuring Mazikeen from Lucifer.)
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