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at 15:30 on 30-08-2011, Cammalot
(The word "eggplant" seems to predate the U.S. --sorta-kinda. 1767. Go fig.)

Actually, the divergences between the two have fascinated me for a very long time, and I doubt they can be attributed to a single impetus, source, or time period. But geeze -- 'American' is my language too, and the language of a lot of other non-white, non-choice-having people, so, y'know...?
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at 15:19 on 30-08-2011, Cammalot
Well, er, as far as my particular sort of Americans are concerned, the French mainly did a lot of colonizing, mild bit of slaveholding, touch of quasi-usury -- that sort of thing. ;-) Not to single them out, mind -- they were hardly unique, and a lot cooler than some, frankly. But I am feeling slightly pounced on for a comment I meant as something fairly lighthearted. =/

(Sadly, I mainly hear the word "aubergine" in the fashion industry I am trying my damndest to flee screaming.)

(I say "in future" all the time! Mainly when the context is more formal, or when it starts the sentence. I would definitely stet it in the vast majority of cases. This might be a regional thing.)
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at 14:27 on 30-08-2011, Arthur B
I thought we were the ones who were supposed to hate the French.

Well, look at all the bad stuff the French did to the US! I mean, they helped them get independence. And gave them an iconic statue. And then sold them New Orleans and a whole bunch of Midwest states at a bargain rate. It's a wonder how French people can look Americans in the eye given this shameful history of oppression and treachery.
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at 14:24 on 30-08-2011, Andy G
When I did proofreading, I came across some differences that you'd never pick up on normally. Like Americans say "in the future", not "in future". And apparently you can't use "means that" in a sentence like e.g. "He stole all my money, which means that I can't afford to go out tonight". Americans tend not to pluralise terms in apposition e.g. beverage industry vs beverages industry. Weird.
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at 14:24 on 30-08-2011, Furare
I thought we were the ones who were supposed to hate the French.
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at 14:11 on 30-08-2011, Arthur B
Oh, American English... so quaint and adorable. :P

I note that a hell of a lot of the divergence between American English and British English seems to involve purging French influences from the language. Eggplant instead of aubergine, zucchini instead of courgette, armor/color instead of armour/colour, program instead of programme, etc.

This makes me theorise that a French person once killed Noah Webster's dog, or something like that.
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at 14:05 on 30-08-2011, Furare
An "eggplant" is an aubergine. :)

Oh, American English... so quaint and adorable. :P
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at 14:04 on 30-08-2011, Arthur B
Eggplant = aubergine.
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at 14:02 on 30-08-2011, Cammalot
Courgettes are not eggplant? (I'm going/coming over to your green and pleasant land in about two weeks, I must learn, I must cram!)
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at 09:27 on 30-08-2011, Wardog
I can make a chocolate-zucchini loaf. Or "courgette" as we call it over here.
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at 07:54 on 30-08-2011, Melissa G.
Zucchini bread? That just seems wrong.


Zucchini in baked goods is delicious! My friend's mom used to make mini zucchini muffins with chocolate chips. So good. I suggest giving zucchini baked goods a try!
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at 07:50 on 30-08-2011, Shim
Tragically I don't think my (university) host will give me search terms for my site, but I don't think they'd be nearly that interesting. In fact, I'm not sure it's possible to find it by accident.

Zucchini bread? That just seems wrong.
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at 06:56 on 30-08-2011, valse de la lune
I'm laughing at the person who claims to have thrown her iPhone into the trash.
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at 06:41 on 30-08-2011, Frank
How big a coin can one drop on SSP?
Instead of a class action lawsuit, I think someone should get the fans together for some individual small claims court action. Death by a thousand cuts. Ok, not really. It won't kill Google, but it may be ouchy or at least irritating.
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at 06:23 on 30-08-2011, valse de la lune
Aw dicks, I suck at links.

China Mieville Anal? Well, I guess some people find him shockingly attractive.

...a lot of people really do find him attractive. And probably slash him with, I don't know, Neil Gaiman.
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at 06:20 on 30-08-2011, Frank
I reworked this link, vdll. Now, I will go read it while my zucchini bread bakes.
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at 06:13 on 30-08-2011, Michal
China Mieville Anal? Well, I guess some people find him shockingly attractive.

I get fairly tickled thinking about the reactions of the (strangely sizable amount of) people who come to my blog while actually searching for some hot pornz, and instead find fairly dull articles about crusaders in the Baltic.

My favourite Google search query leading to my site was "Abelard and Heloise fanfiction". That's just plain adorable.
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at 05:55 on 30-08-2011, valse de la lune
That's it? I got "china mieville anal."

...

Yeah.

In other news, this is lol. "I WILL NEVER BUY GOOGLE PRODUCTS AGAIN AND SHALL BADMOUTH GOOGLE TO EVERYONE."
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at 04:38 on 30-08-2011, Michal
In other news, someone stumbled across my blog today by googling "lord of pain fantasy pornos". Um...yay me?
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at 04:32 on 30-08-2011, Michal
I think one problem here, Jamie, is that when you added the "site is cis-sexist in premise, obviously" and started arguing with Kyra, it felt like you'd just stroked up your social justice cock and were just itching to slap someone in the face with it. I believe this probably wasn't your intention. The objections rest on tone, and the fact that I'm not sure any of the regular posters on Ferretbrain identify as transpeople--Arthur's point--which makes for a conspicuous absence in the conversation.

Unfortunately, the closest analogy I can come up with in my own life is when a bunch of Canadian WASPs at uni would strike up a conversation about immigrant issues, resulting in a circle-jerk predicated on the white guy in the corner without an accent obviously not being an immigrant who could point out the very wrong things happening in that conversation. (A situation that happened surprisingly often). Their behavior is very much akin to what's happening here, and we could all be unknowingly stuffing our feet down our own throats.

It's like looking at a coworker and deciding he PROBABLY doesn't take a zeppelin to work. Do I know that? Of course not. But it's a safe assumption.

HEY, I take a zeppelin to work! It's called the M. Darcy and I happen to like it very much!
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at 20:49 on 29-08-2011, Arthur B
It's the absence of actual transpeople's perspectives that's really frustrating about this conversation.

I mean, unless one of the various resources you've got to link to involves a transperson's response to the tumblr in question (or to some other clearly analogous project), all we've got is one cis guy saying "based on my reading, this is probably cissexist" and a bunch of folks saying "erm, we're not sure about that." This is not a viable framework for a reasonable discussion about cissexism.
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at 20:18 on 29-08-2011, Wardog
Like Jamie, I don't want to get into this whole argument again. However I do feel the need to say this:

I think Jamie is right to point out that a picture of a person with breasts is not necessarily a picture of a woman (where I thought he was wrong is the argument that it's inherently cis-sexist to identify or interpret a picture of a person with breasts as a picture of a woman - if you see the difference). I think, therefore, that Gamer_2k4's statement that "these characters have breasts, so they're women. End of story" is incorrect and over-simplistic. I think part of the reason I got so upset with Jamie was that I felt he was ascribing this over-simplistic attitude to site he linked to, and by extension me and other people who are interested in the portrayal of women in fantasy art.
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at 19:17 on 29-08-2011, Jamie Johnston
[Previous version deleted and re-phrased by me because the way I said it before sounded obnoxious.]

@Gamer_2k4: I don't want to disrupt the playpen again about this, but regardless of whether that particular website I linked to is cissexist or not, what you have just said is. If you want to know why I say that you can get in touch directly. A trans* person would be more qualified than me to talk to you about it, but I don't know whether we have any in the playpen at the moment and since I've been reading up about it in the last few days I have some resources at my fingertips.
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at 17:55 on 29-08-2011, Jamie Johnston
That said, I'm still a little bit annoyed by your apology. To me, it reads as though as you are saying: "I'm sorry I upset you by the way I chose to dismiss your arguments; I should have chosen to dismiss them a different way." Implying that I need you to link me to trans people writing about cis-sexism is no better than believing I need you to explain trans issues to me in the first place.

Yes, sorry, I now see that it reads like that. What I meant was simply that it would have been better to show the sources that I'd derived my understanding of cissexism from, rather than trying to explain it myself. You (and others) may well already be familiar with them, or with the ideas expressed, in which case it would have enabled you to say 'Yes I know that but I disagree with it' or 'Yes I know that but I think you're misinterpreting / misapplying it'. If they weren't already familiar, they might or might not have changed your view. In any event there wasn't really anything I could add, and if I hadn't tried to do so I wouldn't have fallen into mansplaining, dismissiveness, and so on. I should also have said that I'm sorry for the way I phrased my comment in the original post that started the discussion, which I am.
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