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at 21:19 on 21-04-2014
Robinson L, it goes back several years in some form. I'll try to track you down a concise link, because a lot of it is VERY Inside Baseball.
Correia isn't in the same league as VD -- no one is -- but he's a wingnut, he says vile things on a pretty regular basis, and he's been insisting for a couple years now that the Hugos are CONTROLLED! BY! EVIL! LEFTISTS! and worthy works (like his, natch) can't possibly win since they're not PC enough.
at 20:30 on 21-04-2014
, Robinson L
I only barely remember this stuff about the logrolling campaign - would anyone care to refresh my memory?
Also, can someone give me the lowdown on Larry Correia? I know (enough of) Vox Day's story from previous Playpen discussions. Correia, on the other hand, I know mostly from discussion of his work (and one guest appearance on the Writing Excuses
podcast; given the venue and what I've heard about him on it, I would have him pegged as someone who probably has some opinions I find abhorrent, but not necessarily as a wingnut on the order of Mr. Beale.
at 18:18 on 21-04-2014
I suspect that ranking the works on the "sad puppy ballot" below No Award will be spun to prove that Hugo voters are voting on political lines rather than literary merit, thus proving it's a leftist thing that only goes to "message fic" like, uh, Redshirts.
at 12:28 on 21-04-2014
It just looks to me like Hurley and Scalzi are both trying to find a silver lining, or say that it doesn't really matter. Which, of course, it doesn't, in the grand scheme of things - but in the very tiny teacup of people who care about the Hugos? I think it's a big deal.
at 10:31 on 21-04-2014
Also, Tamara, I haven't forgotten your earlier question about things I find traumatic, in fiction -- it's just a slightly hard one to answer, and I'm always struggling with how best to explain it to people.
at 10:27 on 21-04-2014
I am also considering grabbing a supporting membership to vote, this year. Not that I can do anything about Best Novel -- Ancillary Justice deserves it, but fucking Wheel of Time is going to nail it, for all our sins -- but there are several other categories in which I'd like to be a drop in the bucket.
at 10:16 on 21-04-2014
Tamara, I think Scalzi's post about this
over at Whatever (and the conversation in the comments, at least the non-stupid part of that conversation) make a valuable counterpoint to your argument. :) Not that your perspective isn't valid -- it is OFFENSIVE to me that people are doing this bullshit, and i think Correia and Beale are both loathesome human beings -- but the Hugos have survived a lot of bullshit and they will survive this.
Also, Kameron Hurley (who has been nominated for two Hugos, herself -- one for best fan writer and one for best related work) has a great post about it here
with yet another perspective.
at 09:36 on 21-04-2014
I don't see whether they win or not being the issue at all. I don't think for a moment that they will, and I don't think Vox et al particularly expect to win. Nor will it be a 'victory' for the rest of us if they end up placing below "no award" or coming dead last (which I'm pretty sure they will) or anything. No, this round is to them. They made the point they wanted to make and got the attention they wanted to get, with much more success than they deserve.
at 09:18 on 21-04-2014
Also note that while Hugo nominations go by simple plurality, Hugo awards use instant-runoff voting, which is much harder to game. So on the downside, some awesome shit got left off the ballot because Correia and Beale are assholes; but on the upside, they'll find it's much harder to actually win than it is to be nominated.
at 07:17 on 21-04-2014
That said, I am kind of enjoying the Hugo being grounds for contention and controversy, and not in the grouchy this-is-not-to-my-taste, get-off-my-lawn Christopher Priest way but at least rooted in genuine ideological battles.
I wonder how this would play if there had been a concentrated campaign to get someone on the ballot - some self published monster porn or something - without the ideological baggage. Then again, I don't think you could get a sufficient mass of people to fork over ...50$?... even if they fans, without that political catalyst. Authors campaign to get their stuff in all the time...not that many succeed.
at 07:11 on 21-04-2014
Yeah, it's not like "reform Hugo voting" is a new thing, but this is someone who obviously and transparently managed to kind of game the system. That is, what they did was perfectly fair, as far as anyone can tell, but clearly against the spirit of the nominating process, which wouldn't have been possible with a broader pool. Most other criticism has been a vaguer, less concentrated thing - ballots aren't representative...ballots aren't good...well, representative of what? What's representative, what's good? It's much easier to agree that the success of a systemic campaign by a small handful of rightwing fucknuts to influence the ballot is not representative or good.
at 00:53 on 21-04-2014
This should totally be a red light for the narrow Hugo voter base (and this was it's best year ever...) Reform! Reform! What do we want? Sensible bureaucratic measures taken to consider a broader nominating pool!
I can see some good things coming of this.
a. Larry & friends could experience huge blowback for their vote stacking and end up ranking below "no award." Even if that doesn't happen, none of them come out looking all that good for their efforts ('cause seriously, getting an award this way just comes across as sleazy).
b. If it's this
easy to game the Hugos there will be more pressure to change the process...though all the complaints and anger over previous Hugos didn't manage to achieve that.
c. Way distant third: Voxy's novelette will probably be in the Hugo packet. His books are put out by a small Christian press that gets very little attention and his Amazon/Goodreads reviews are almost solely drawn from the sycophants on his blog (plus he attacks or tries to pull down negative reviews with a vengeance). This is possibly the first time his fiction will come under critical scrutiny from outside his fan base...and the resulting explosion on his part is going to be mighty fun to watch.
His fiction is terrible.
at 11:30 on 20-04-2014
, Jamie Johnston
Hopping in slightly late (as usual) to the webcomics thread. It's been ages since I caught up with Bad machinery
but I used to really like it. In fact the only reason I haven't read it for so long is because I keep waiting for a nice chunk of free time to enjoy the catch-up. Also Girls with slingshots
, which you all probably know about already, and Nimona
For short funnies with no particular ongoing narrative I enjoy Buttersafe
, Poorly drawn lines
, The non-adventures of Wonderella
, and (like everyone else) Hark, a vagrant!
. Kate Beaton's tumblr
is also worth checking out for in between Hark
A recent discovery somewhere between 'ongoing story' and 'joke of the week' comics is Chaos life
It's been nice to see other people's recommendations, quite a few of which I hadn't heard of and shall check out!
at 07:24 on 20-04-2014
Oh, and XKCD has a nomination too ;D
at 06:56 on 20-04-2014
The Ayn Rand nom on the Retro was a nice touch too...WTF was my response too, word for word. (hadn't been aware of this...campaign.) This should totally be a red light for the narrow Hugo voter base (and this was it's best year ever...) Reform! Reform! What do we want? Sensible bureaucratic measures taken to consider a broader nominating pool!
at 23:48 on 19-04-2014
What the fuck?
(Scroll down to the novel and novelette category. Larry's logrolling campaign worked.)
at 11:54 on 18-04-2014
(Also it contains Grace Park, and she is fantastic enough for any five or ten normal people all by herself.)
at 11:54 on 18-04-2014
On a completely different subject, I've been binging on Hawaii Five-0 (the rebooted show, not to be confused with the original, which is "Hawaii Five-O") and it's quite fun. Standard procedural, but holy crap there are a lot of actual native Hawaiians (and other Polynesians) in it, and they aren't just playing random cardboard stereotypes. It's pretty refreshing to see.
at 13:25 on 16-04-2014
(Re: that last note, it's not a huge part of the story in terms of page count or even plot, really, but it's a big part of (again, spoiler-ish)
a prominent character's backstory
at 13:20 on 16-04-2014
Adrienne: I'd love to read a review of Digger! I couldn't write a coherent one, I don't think, but would look forward to discussing it.
Melanie: Glad you're enjoying it!
Generally: I forgot to say that I would probably add a trigger/content warning to Digger for descriptions of (past) domestic abuse, and what I suppose would be labelled (spoiler of sorts? Also correct me if I'm wrong)
. It's not a trigger for me personally, and I found it very well written/presented, but my goodness is it heartbreaking.
at 06:38 on 16-04-2014
(Hell, I may have been inspired to submit a review of it to Ferretbrain. We'll see how that goes.)
at 06:33 on 16-04-2014
(Now I've been inspired to reread it, too.)
at 04:36 on 16-04-2014
I'm totally reading it right now. This is great!